TP52s

Scott, thank you so much for posting. My wife has asked me to not post on the Internet today and we all have boats to get ready for Saturday. If you feel it is appropriate please introduce my wife and I to Tripp Gal and husband at the dinner on Friday or at the dance party in the evening. Have a great race in any case.

Frank Mighetto
Murrelet
1999 Mac26x of of Olympia
Sail # 79020

 

I can’t believe that you’re still posting or even more unbelievable is that you’re planning to show your face in public, let alone want to get introduce to some who thinks you’re a slime ball.

You have been banned from the Mac site
You have been banned from boat net
You have been banned from Sailing Anarchy (keel hauled and whipped)
You have been banned for South Sound Sailing Board (causing a huge amount of grief and even more animosity) and even causing the closure of the board
Your club is taking legal action to get rid of you

Most of the South Sound club members think you’re a fool, after a quick read it looks like the nice folks at boat design only keep you around to laugh at you as like the village idiot.

Do you really believe that you’re learning anything?
Do you really believe that you’re helping anyone?

Are you convincing anyone that your boat is a safe seaworthy sailing vessel and not a baby killer?

Do you think any one care’s what you think? (Besides me and I am doing it because I am a very angry man)

You have done harm, its time to stop.


David Larmk

 

The season doesn't begin for another three months...

 

WTF :?:

 

Sailing...GOOD

Crack for breakfast...BAD!!!

 

I wouldn't ride on an I-14 either... not until late summer.

I did have an open offer to crew on an I-14 on Lake Washington,
but I'm afraid to. Not fear of getting wet... fear that I'll get
addicted. Even the I-14 scenes in the movie "wind" get me excited.

 

I dunno Scott. I'm pretty sure I saw two of you once.

 

Damn it stop leading me on! You have advanced this thread to the planned discussion on Presidents Day. Well here it is:

The following is whimsical: What is the difference between sailing anarchists and owner drivers?

There is a difference and it goes to the foundation of the sport. Sailors are very different from land lovers (lubbers) in that the former recognize that they can not own the sea where the latter seek to own and control the land. In seeking control of the land there is a tendency to seek control of all living things upon it, and even of nature itself. The land owner sometimes attempts to elevate himself and his family to royal or god like status and it is this arrogant attitude, rather than ownership per say, to which all anarchists object.

On the sea the arrogant are treated harshly. At times you must go with the storm and not battle against it and because of this a sailor is likely to treat the rich and poor similarly, giving no special status or decision making authority to those born of wealth, or rising to it, because that distinction is not made in the environment his ship operates in. On the sea the sailor feels freedom and need not fight for it; on land, freedom - even freedom to speak - always involves a battle over control because that is the nature of the lubbers.

The TP52 owner of BraveHeart likely is a sailing anarchist because the film BraveHeart is about true anarchists. I aspire to meet this individual to confirm my suspicion. I suspect he objects to the owner-driver rules the TP52s now operate under.

However, does he have the freedom to speak out against them? Like BraveHeart in the film, he may be constrained by "the nobility" he interacts with.

BraveHeart is a great in-your face name for a TP52 because Rob Roy was of the MacGregor Clan and there is the connection between MacGregor 26x boats and TP52s from which this thread was started. Try watching the film BraveHeart. Take a sip of something alcoholic when ever MacGregor is mentioned. Then join in the fun. What are the top ten names for a TP52. Here is a draft:

10. Owner's on Crack (he thinks his boat is Trans Pacific Worthy)
09. DWB 0r DGB - Designer Went Bankrupt (the concept boat for the TP52 was the SC52 DGB - Designer Going Bankrupt (IMC is dead; only fools think otherwise)
08. TBP - the name of the TP52 is To Be Provided as per the official owners site hyping them.
07. Heels-A-Lot (the boat takes advantage of a loop hole in box rules that way. You will never make a good cruser out of these babes)
06. Hulls-A-Changing (the box rules favor lightly constructed hulls that after a hard race may not measure the same ever again)
05. MacAttact (see the starting post and above)
04. Numbers Lie (see discusion on capsize ratio sister ship is Owner's on Crack)
03. BraveHeart - damn I would pay money to board her. Great Name
02. Gimcrack - useless thing
01. TesticleOne damn she? is sexy.

The Mayan Calendar repeats itself once every 52 years. We may have to wait another 52 years to see such poor design in a sail boat again. There are only 14 owners to piss off. Seriously - this is like a once in 52 year opportunity. Let Fly on the TP52s. No-designer-will-take-credit-or-blame or something like that is up for nomination as a great TP52 name. T Paper, also good. Let Spain Have Um. Not-In-My-Back yard. I mean the dockside chatter is great.

 

IMS and SC 52's have absolutely nothing to do with TP 52's. The MacGregor clan has nothing to do with your pile of crap MacGregor bathtub that you call a boat. No matter what you pay frank, NO ONE that owns a TP 52 would let YOU on their boat. Enjoy getting your A$$ handed to you this weekend.

 

After reading some of the drivel at the MacGregor yachts website,
I would not buy one of their boats.

You may think it is built sturdy... they may say it's built sturdy,
but with the number of blatant lies they tell on their website,
it would be unwise to trust anything they say.

A few Excerpts that are either misleading or false:

The 26’s light weight and its powerboat underbelly allow the boat
to get up on top of the water and plane in heavy winds.
In such conditions, these boats have exceeded 17 mph under sail.
Most small sailboats, with their round bottoms, have speeds limited
to around 5 to 6 mph.

The picture above shows the 26 racing, in really light winds, against
our MacGregor 70. The smart money was bet on the big boat, which
is one of the world’s fastest production sailboats. The 26, using the
large genoa headsail, actually hung in there pretty well for a while.

No boat is easier to sail. You can learn to sail in an afternoon.
Our owner’s instructions and web site have excellent instructions.
Pick a nice day with a light breeze. Launch the boat, fill the ballast
tank and buzz around with the engine until you get the hang of it.
It is no tougher than driving a car. Then set the mainsail and let the
wind provide some of the power. Keep the engine running at idle to get
you out of any tight places. An hour or so of this and you will have a
pretty good idea of how it all works. Then add the jib. An afternoon
like this and you will be fairly accomplished.

 

More Deceitful Advertising:

This is the very large racing spinnaker. It flies from an easily removable 6’ bow sprit. This sail is huge,...

WATER BALLAST:
MacGregor developed this concept. It has been widely copied,
and is now the standard throughout the trailerable sailboat industry.

Weight reduction became essential for safer and easier trailering.
We then invented the water ballast system, that provides the safety
of a true keelboat, ...

WHEEL STEERING.
It is easier and more natural to drive the boat with a steering wheel than
with a tiller, and a lot more comfortable.

PERFORMANCE:
MacGregor 26 is the fastest and best handling of any of the trailerable
cruising sailboats. It is easy to sail...(no, it's not)

The MacGregor 26 offers high speed powering without compromising
sailing performance.

TRAILERING:
The boat is big, but it is really light, far lighter than competing trailerable
cruisers. It is light enough to be towed behind standard sized cars. We
consider that the weight of the 26, with all normal gear, is the maximum
practical weight for easy ramp launching and trailering.

LAUNCHING:
Anywhere you can car-launch a 15' rowboat, you can launch a MacGregor 26.
There are ramps everywhere, and they cost very little to use, typically $2 to $5. Many are free.


CONSTRUCTION:
Most of our competitors use "chopper guns" to build their boats.

ACCELERATION:
With the 50 horsepower outboard, the 26 will go about 22 mph.
It will easily pull a water-skier.

OTHER:
One person can raise the mast, launch the boat and sail away
in 10 to 15 minutes.

Before the (MacGregor) 25 debuted, many boat designers didn’t think it was
feasible to squeeze a serviceable cruising interior into a boat of that size.

 

BTW...I was referring to the Ed of SA. You remember him, don't you Frank? You know, the guy who kicked you off his forum. Oh, that's right, you're probably having a hard time remembering all the people who've kicked you off their forums.

 

ATTENTION MACGREGOR OWNERS: PHOTOS AND VIDEOS NEEDED.
If you have any good photos or videos of the new MacGregor 26,
please let us know. We are always anxious to get more good images
for our brochures and videos. MacGregor club events, family sailings
scenes, racing scenes, images of sailing in unusual weather conditions,
water skiing, or images of trips to unusual places would be more than
welcome. If we use any of your work on our web site, brochures or videos,
we will pay for the images and give you full credit and recognition as the photographer.

 

That's a joke! No-one forced him to buy a TP52, and the rules are available for reading. if he didn't want an owner-driven boat, he didn't have to buy one. Likewiase, there are many out here who actually enjoy driving their own boats. Of course, they don't own Mac26's.....

Well, we have almost finished one TP52, and we are just starting another, so the numbers are growing, migho. Having built 3 during the last couple of years, I can safely say that there have not been many months recently when there was NOT one building in our shed.

Steve

 

If the 26X is such a good boat (Far superior to thr TP52), why did
Macgregor quit making them and replace them with the new 26M design?